i created this post, and report this subject in its own post.
(was mixt in another post from f1motion and coud get lost)
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Well guys I don't think we ever specified a rule concerning views becasue, quite frankly, I don't think any of us really care. Of course the reccomended view is in the cockpit so you can use your mirrors. However, if you feel more comnfortable driving from the tv view and you don't have a problem racing in traffic, then I think thats fine too. Also, we never created a rule because there is no way of proving what view people are using, and I'm sure as hell not gonna sit there going through telemetry files to figure out something as useless as what view you guys are racing with.
CART
P.S. Sorry for being away for a few weeks and then coming back and sounding all authoratative and clarifying rules, because honestly, I'm not even sure if I'm still head of the league as I haven't devoted that much time to you guys over the past few months. I think I'll make a poll soon to see whether or not you guys wanna kick me out of office and get someone else up here. Anyway, I now have my wheel with me in college and I'm looking to get back to racing ASAP. Get some servers open and I'll be there!
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Boss situation (Originaly posted by Cart)
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Boss situation (Originaly posted by Cart)
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well up to now i can publicly say that you still have the last word. We only has little minor problem with new driver asking to join, your busy and cant awnser them fast, but i think we coud fix that problem with and CC mail to another member to help you on that for end of season. Being aways is not bad also, you have an away overview of situation, but not being there can have also some negative effect, but not big problem also.
A «vote de confiance» (public vote) is not a bad thing if you want too.
I woud suggest this, since we are 3/4 of season done, we coud let the season go as is.
But for 2006, i woud suggest more somthing like this. (taking in consideration we still have 3 divisions, will see later)
1 boss
3 supervisor for eatch division
(Both need to be voted by all driver of eatch end of season for next season)
The 3 supervisor will have some meeting and take care of theyr own division situation.
if problem is encounter, then the boss will have to take final decision, like a judge. The boss wont have any word to say whatever in division he his racing or not racing at all.
Only warning can be sent to the driver in fault and CC to the Boss.
No pelality can be attribute unless the boss aprouve it. Then when the Boss feel penality must be sent, he ask a vote from 3 superviser. That way no personnal feeling or angryness can interupt processus.
For rules changing or major decision on management,
the superviser take the feeling of drivers (by discussion or public vote) and discuss it with the boss and other supervisor. If a majority (4 votes yes from 3 supervisor and boss) is get, then it can be apllied to the league or sent in public vote.
Its only suggestion, Its in part from my personnal opinion and from 1-2 other drivers discussion in the past few month to try to improve the league.[/b]
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well up to now i can publicly say that you still have the last word. We only has little minor problem with new driver asking to join, your busy and cant awnser them fast, but i think we coud fix that problem with and CC mail to another member to help you on that for end of season. Being aways is not bad also, you have an away overview of situation, but not being there can have also some negative effect, but not big problem also.
A «vote de confiance» (public vote) is not a bad thing if you want too.
I woud suggest this, since we are 3/4 of season done, we coud let the season go as is.
But for 2006, i woud suggest more somthing like this. (taking in consideration we still have 3 divisions, will see later)
1 boss
3 supervisor for eatch division
(Both need to be voted by all driver of eatch end of season for next season)
The 3 supervisor will have some meeting and take care of theyr own division situation.
if problem is encounter, then the boss will have to take final decision, like a judge. The boss wont have any word to say whatever in division he his racing or not racing at all.
Only warning can be sent to the driver in fault and CC to the Boss.
No pelality can be attribute unless the boss aprouve it. Then when the Boss feel penality must be sent, he ask a vote from 3 superviser. That way no personnal feeling or angryness can interupt processus.
For rules changing or major decision on management,
the superviser take the feeling of drivers (by discussion or public vote) and discuss it with the boss and other supervisor. If a majority (4 votes yes from 3 supervisor and boss) is get, then it can be apllied to the league or sent in public vote.
Its only suggestion, Its in part from my personnal opinion and from 1-2 other drivers discussion in the past few month to try to improve the league.[/b]
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Hey Flow I kinda like that idea. Sounds like a good democracy . Anyway we have lots of time to figure this stuff out, but I think we should all start thinking about it.
Anyway, I'll see ya later,
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Hey Flow I kinda like that idea. Sounds like a good democracy . Anyway we have lots of time to figure this stuff out, but I think we should all start thinking about it.
Anyway, I'll see ya later,
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Its not 100% my own suggestion as told, but catch idea here and here and add to my personnal opinion that made me think like that. Bilbo have alot of comb reasonable thinking also on that possibility...
Your my boss Cart, i respect it!, lol no offend if i or we seem to push thing even if you were not there. I did little go over my competence on testing driver or so, but is was only to make things going faster or not to have angry driver that whant to join. I hope i didnt overpass you in your authority, was not ment to block you in the corner. I woundnt be good at a lonely boss job, its not my expectation. Good job from you up to now, but maybe with those suggestion woud correct the little lack cause by your school occupency.
Any can suggest theyr opinion, im not representing the majority here, hehe
All other suggestion is welcome and good to all of us.
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Its not 100% my own suggestion as told, but catch idea here and here and add to my personnal opinion that made me think like that. Bilbo have alot of comb reasonable thinking also on that possibility...
Your my boss Cart, i respect it!, lol no offend if i or we seem to push thing even if you were not there. I did little go over my competence on testing driver or so, but is was only to make things going faster or not to have angry driver that whant to join. I hope i didnt overpass you in your authority, was not ment to block you in the corner. I woundnt be good at a lonely boss job, its not my expectation. Good job from you up to now, but maybe with those suggestion woud correct the little lack cause by your school occupency.
Any can suggest theyr opinion, im not representing the majority here, hehe
All other suggestion is welcome and good to all of us.
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Hi Guys,
Well if I understand Flow correctly I think it would be a great idea.
I am sure that it would take alot of pressure off just having 1 person making ALL the decisions, also if there is a decision to be made and for whatever reason 1 can't be reached there are 3 others that can go ahead with making such decision.
With this I believe making the NAR family BIGGER and STRONGER.
As a new member here I am always in AAAWWWW of this league and still cannot believe I am here racing with such AMAZING guys and talent.
I love this league so much I tell EVERYBODY about NAR with alot of pride and joy.
HATS off to CART RULZ, FLOW, BILBO and DP and anyone else who devotes their time and efforts to give us this realistic racing league to be a part of.(I hope I didn't offend anyone)
CHEERS GUYS!!!
BRING ON HUNGARY!!!!!! LOL
just my opinion.
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Hi Guys,
Well if I understand Flow correctly I think it would be a great idea.
I am sure that it would take alot of pressure off just having 1 person making ALL the decisions, also if there is a decision to be made and for whatever reason 1 can't be reached there are 3 others that can go ahead with making such decision.
With this I believe making the NAR family BIGGER and STRONGER.
As a new member here I am always in AAAWWWW of this league and still cannot believe I am here racing with such AMAZING guys and talent.
I love this league so much I tell EVERYBODY about NAR with alot of pride and joy.
HATS off to CART RULZ, FLOW, BILBO and DP and anyone else who devotes their time and efforts to give us this realistic racing league to be a part of.(I hope I didn't offend anyone)
CHEERS GUYS!!!
BRING ON HUNGARY!!!!!! LOL
just my opinion.
Steve B
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First, I have no problem with Cart keeping his job as boss for what remains of the season, especially if he's gonna be more active again. Not much harm done except for some "wannabes" which I don't know what happened with them (but that's none of my business anyways).
Second, having already had discussions with Flow on the subject, I pretty much second his proposition. I also remember discussing about race hosts' and supervisors' "powers" and responsibilities, especially if there is an absence of contact with "the boss" or very last minute decisions have to be taken, but I will have to hunt a bit to find this again (feeling lazy tonight and not wanting to type it all again as I remember I went into some details about this).
Finally, thanks for the thanks and all, but we (or at the very least, I) probably would not do/have done none of what we/I do/did if the league as a whole did not deserve it. Thanks for being here with us and making NAR be what NAR is.
Second, having already had discussions with Flow on the subject, I pretty much second his proposition. I also remember discussing about race hosts' and supervisors' "powers" and responsibilities, especially if there is an absence of contact with "the boss" or very last minute decisions have to be taken, but I will have to hunt a bit to find this again (feeling lazy tonight and not wanting to type it all again as I remember I went into some details about this).
Finally, thanks for the thanks and all, but we (or at the very least, I) probably would not do/have done none of what we/I do/did if the league as a whole did not deserve it. Thanks for being here with us and making NAR be what NAR is.
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To add to this, lets not forget the reason there is a NAR, Killahead, and DanTheMan, who started it all, if not for them, we'd never have raced against each other . At least not in a superior league like NAR 
It's a shame thay they don't have the time to come and race with us anymore, but they are the founders, and will always be remembered as the Daddie's of No Aids Racing, hehe
It's a shame thay they don't have the time to come and race with us anymore, but they are the founders, and will always be remembered as the Daddie's of No Aids Racing, hehe
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Thanks to our 2 daddy, DanTheMan and Killahead 
Dan is like a god, hes everywhere, all around, see him here online, but no word, working hard behind, watching on us, lol 
Thanks, dont put too mutch on us only because at this moment we are more present, its not because some nar member are not working on web or mod that they dont count, some are here since few years, and we all make this staying alive.
Just being there at all race, being frienldy to all, have good opinion, all old NAR member in shadows of us are even more important than us.
But time is running, year after year. But the problem is the league is kind a running on his own. we just maybe need to instore a democratic way of being shure this league will last for many year to come.
The euro division are kind of having hard time these days, they were event not suppose to have a Euro div at begining of year. But not same mod, not exact some few same rules, this shoud not happend next year. I feel that we are split from euro now, and next year management shoud take that in consideration. Its not any of us fault, its only we had one year going on, and we learn and i think now we are able to set nice things for 2006. Steve, Carrera, Hitman and others 'old skin' can be verry good at managing this league. We all shoud put our idea toghetter and make this fun and smooth for all. We need NA divisions and Euro reunite for 2006 and have fun all toghetter, even if we still run on split division, at least we will se us more in practice session.
k, enough talking... cya
Dan is like a god, hes everywhere, all around, see him here online, but no word, working hard behind, watching on us, lol Thanks, dont put too mutch on us only because at this moment we are more present, its not because some nar member are not working on web or mod that they dont count, some are here since few years, and we all make this staying alive.
Just being there at all race, being frienldy to all, have good opinion, all old NAR member in shadows of us are even more important than us.
But time is running, year after year. But the problem is the league is kind a running on his own. we just maybe need to instore a democratic way of being shure this league will last for many year to come.
The euro division are kind of having hard time these days, they were event not suppose to have a Euro div at begining of year. But not same mod, not exact some few same rules, this shoud not happend next year. I feel that we are split from euro now, and next year management shoud take that in consideration. Its not any of us fault, its only we had one year going on, and we learn and i think now we are able to set nice things for 2006. Steve, Carrera, Hitman and others 'old skin'
can be verry good at managing this league. We all shoud put our idea toghetter and make this fun and smooth for all. We need NA divisions and Euro reunite for 2006 and have fun all toghetter, even if we still run on split division, at least we will se us more in practice session.k, enough talking... cya
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sounds good to me
Hello All
I am on the newer side of things this is my first season here. Although I know and race with some of the Old timers. (Cough Cough)
This is a great league and besides a couple of miner details there is no real reason to change things at this point.
But Flow is right there should be a person or persons to ask and anwsers questions.
And I like Steve would be willing to help anyway I can.
Hitman
I am on the newer side of things this is my first season here. Although I know and race with some of the Old timers. (Cough Cough)
This is a great league and besides a couple of miner details there is no real reason to change things at this point.
But Flow is right there should be a person or persons to ask and anwsers questions.
And I like Steve would be willing to help anyway I can.
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yes, one person need to take decision at last minutes some time and make shure we have a server for race, and few things like that. yes its going fine up to now, but Bilbo brought the idea of having a task description sheet text, that explain what to do, in what order and how to react in witch situation. Cause first time we have to host, due to anormal dituation, its pretty scarry and we need to race and dont need more stess, hehe, i remember my 1st hosting. Because we are 3 split server and wee need to all have same equal fairness in race.Even worst we are on decalage with half of the group, and they are not on same side of eath.
The proposition wont make big difference, it will in reality almost look like as now, but the only thing it will bring is those named or voted person will have the responsability to make shure the season going on is working fine. that way, we will ensure long life to our league. Who knows in 5 years in future, maby half of us wont be here or wont be able to drive, but league will survive on a clean basis of family, democratic, and respectfull management.
As for me, im more good at giving ideas than aplying them. I think that in repect of older members, they have priority to speak, since theyr are the transition from the builders of league and the new younger joining now.
The proposition wont make big difference, it will in reality almost look like as now, but the only thing it will bring is those named or voted person will have the responsability to make shure the season going on is working fine. that way, we will ensure long life to our league. Who knows in 5 years in future, maby half of us wont be here or wont be able to drive, but league will survive on a clean basis of family, democratic, and respectfull management.
As for me, im more good at giving ideas than aplying them. I think that in repect of older members, they have priority to speak, since theyr are the transition from the builders of league and the new younger joining now.
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Hey guys!
Great topic here, the idea of one boss+3 supervisors sounds good here,
but I personnally think the main problem we have actually is the NAR mod ...half of us use it and the others will never use it.
The first thing to do for the league should be to all use the same game.
No matter if RH04 is great or RH03 is for MEN (LOL i read that in the forum one day but RH04 still produces DNF
if you like them)
NA and EURO are going on their own directions and sometimes opposites directions, this has to be fixed if 1 boss has to be over us all...
This to simplify the NAR organisation of course. (rules etc...)
Cya on tracks
Great topic here, the idea of one boss+3 supervisors sounds good here,
but I personnally think the main problem we have actually is the NAR mod ...half of us use it and the others will never use it.
The first thing to do for the league should be to all use the same game.
No matter if RH04 is great or RH03 is for MEN (LOL i read that in the forum one day but RH04 still produces DNF
if you like them) NA and EURO are going on their own directions and sometimes opposites directions, this has to be fixed if 1 boss has to be over us all...
This to simplify the NAR organisation of course. (rules etc...)
Cya on tracks
true Bilbo, i have done quite a few races in rFactor online now, and the net code is a VAST improvement over F1C, last night i did one with a grid of 17 cars, and noticed no significant lag at all. And also knowing that all NAR members have at least a decent connection, i am sure it will be even better for us !
I may be slow, but at least I'm consistantly slow !
LOL Chimpster,
As you saw,I tried to setup the car like GTR and made many doughnut marks in my first 10 laps.Even that one guy was laughin at my misfortune.I was thinkin(man I must look like a newbie right now).Still with that new vid card,I am amazed at the graphics quality of the game.I spent more time watchin my realistic looking cockpit than driving..LOL...ok that was a mistake...Lots of cool cars...no stutters in graphics for me so far...then again I shut everything down in "msconfig"anyways..nothing to hog my resources that way.
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As you saw,I tried to setup the car like GTR and made many doughnut marks in my first 10 laps.Even that one guy was laughin at my misfortune.I was thinkin(man I must look like a newbie right now).Still with that new vid card,I am amazed at the graphics quality of the game.I spent more time watchin my realistic looking cockpit than driving..LOL...ok that was a mistake...Lots of cool cars...no stutters in graphics for me so far...then again I shut everything down in "msconfig"anyways..nothing to hog my resources that way.
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