Mod (re-)evaluation

[Racer]

good words Sailsy, thats a way for a driver to behave,

[philmax]

Hello


For me if the mod does no change, I have decided to leave this league for several reasons.

1) I find it strange mod with bizare reactions and very long to get good sets.

2) I have no driving pleasure with this mod.

3) several of my friends have left nar at approximatley the same reason and it's been a great void under conviviality, the servers are nar desert

Voila I spent a good moment among you, there were really very nice people, but here i'm boring on the track, I prefer to go where there be a mod which will allow me to have fun as well for me most importantly entertain and nothing else.

I have nothing against any of you, but if it must stay like that, I am prefer retired.

Voila thanks and good luck to all of you

Sorry of my English is reflecting google

Phil

[Drago(ITA)]

I'd only like to know if there is someone who is completely happy with this MMG mod, because it seems hard to find one here. By "happy" i don't mean "used to" , i maean someone who drive the mod and say :"WOW, what a great mod!!" .
Once u find him i'd like to ask him to try F1rft and tell the differences he discovered between the two mods.
Someone could say i consider MMG phisic bad because i'm not skilled enough to drive what they call a real F1 car phisic.
I just want to remember those people what MMG did when they released public edition the first time , and i'll talk only about the phisic of the mod , without considering all other mistakes or bugs.Futhermore i have to say that the graphic of the mod is absolutely nice to me.
The first phisic release was absolutely and with evidence wrong; i could not imagine how a real engeneer could have create sutch a phisic basing it on real data..... .
Soon the answer from MMG was : ops , in the hurry of the events we just put the wrong phisic in it . We will soon solve it by the release of the server edition.
OK, but this sounded strange to me. If u did a mistake to put a wrong phisic in the mod , it means u already have the correct one , and u don't need to create another one and let then test it to private members and then release it for public.
The result was : great amount of wasted time practicing with public version waiting and hoping for server edition to be a better one .
Time passed by , but at the end , we finally had our server edition mod , and according to MMG it should have been the best F1 mod releaded ever .
You know my opinion about the server edition , and even forcing me to consider the phisic as real , i can't imagine a F1 car behave like that.
Futhermore when someone for sure more skilled and experienced than me about setting up a car ( even in real life ) asks to the "great" MMG group some explaination about some weird an extreme settings he had to use just to have the car "drivable" , you all know what the answers were............ .
So with the presence of F1rft mod which is imao a globally better mod than MMG , and considering the situation of euro side (can'talk of couse for NA) i can't see the reason to stick with MMG.
For people like me who need mutch time to get used to a mod , i just can say give a try to F1rft , and you'll notice you'll need just some laps to get used , not days or weeks ; of course pushing the car at its limits will need more time .
Consider also:

And wow what a blast it could be if both leagues could full fill the both grids, just dreaming awake but NAR on sunday RELAY on monday on same mod.

The easier way to refill the grid for sure.

Hope i didn't annoy all of you with my talking nonsence .

See you on track

[SteveB]

Well I am definitely not a fast driver but I did test the F1FRT mod and I mean NO DISRESPECT to anyone so don't get your back up....PLEASE!!!

I don't see what is so great about the F1FRT mod, I did (as all have been saying about setups) my normal setting changes and for me the car was just as hard to drive.
I tried a setup that was given to me that was made for the FRT mod and that made it even worse for me.I drove the setup AS IS and all I could see in my rear view were sparks flying everywhere, I don't see how those kind of physics make a better mod.I mean should the car be drivable if it is bottoming out all the time??
There are PROS and CONS with every mod released and also bugs that need to be fixed.

DRAGO SAID:

For people like me who need mutch time to get used to a mod , i just can say give a try to F1rft , and you'll notice you'll need just some laps to get used , not days or weeks ; of course pushing the car at its limits will need more time .

Couldn't that be the same for the MMG mod Drago???????

My feedback on the 2 mods (if anyone cares) is that they are both equally hard to get used to, I remember having the same trouble getting used to F1 Champions when we first started using it.
I do feel that the sense of immersion is a lot greater with MMG mod than with the F1FRT mod.
I don't only look at the physics end of the mod I like it to look as good as it feels and runs well and I know a lot of you don't share that opinion and thats OK


I have 1 question for the guys using the F1FRT mod>>>> what makes F1FRT mod so much better than the MMG mod??

[Flow]

I hope i didnt done any mistake, but i took the time to try to track any comment Vs MMG/F1FRT:

15 drivers are still listed as active in Euro Division
18 drivers are still listed as active in Na Division

EU-Aguri
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EU-BMW
(Empty Clockwork Avian, quit racing, problem with mod and some members ?!?)
1- Gabrox (No comment)

EU-Ferrari
(Empty Drago, quit racing)
2- Ingo (Euro Admin)

EU-Honda
3- Artur Nunes (No comment)
4- JeffB (No comment)

EU-McLaren
5- Kaffemaskin (MMG or F1FRT, dont mind)
6- Killahead (Boss)

EU-Red Bull
7- Duck (MMG or F1FRT, dont mind)
8- Nick Oldenhuis (No comment)

EU-Renault
9- MAC (he comment, but i cant say what is choice)
(Empty Philmax, quit racing)

EU-Spyker
10- RoadRunner (No comment)
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EU-STR
11- LeDoug (Would like F1FRT, but seem to not mind MMG)
12- Mikko Melkkila (No comment)


EU-Toyota
13- Firefly (MMG or F1FRT, dont mind)
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EU-Williams
14- Limpindog (No comment)
15- Sailsy (Prefer F1FRT, but dont mind stay with MMG)





NA-Aguri
1- Carrera (No comment)
2- Koma (No comment)

NA-BMW
3- Brad (No comment)
(Empty Hitman, quit racing)

NA-Ferrari
4- Aaron (No comment)
5- SteveB (NA Admin)

NA-Honda
6- Hakkifan (No comment)
7- John Bacho (No comment)

NA-McLaren
8- Bilbo (NA Admin)
9- Juan (No comment)

NA-Red Bull
10- Mario Proietti (No comment)
11- Sealalex (No comment)

NA-Renault
12- Flow (MMG or F1FRT, dont mind)
13- XZwins (No comment)

NA-Spyker
14- Christian Laforce (No comment)
15- Jimmy Vachon (No comment)

NA-STR
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NA-Toyota
16- Echoshill (No comment)
17- Paul (said we should stay with MMG)

NA-Williams
18- Steve (No comment)
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[bigmac777]

hi there
looks like communication isn't gettin' better over seas.

But Flow, i decided to quit because of MMG use and clearly said i would be pleased to rejoin if F1RFT gets in there.
I think you gently twisted the situation, and obviously not only mine .

2 questions standing then:

Seeing that you NA guys push hardly to keep MMG and EURO the opposite why don't we drive both mods?
It remains me the 2004 situation, 2 mods season, but NAR is still alive.

Finally when do we (NA & EURO active members) clearly vote as the matter of this thread is possible mod change?

Regards

MAC

[Duck]

Hi Folks,

I downloaded at 10-04 that F1Rtf mod, from the designers site, have some strange words in my game main pages.....is there a version without tose eastblock language??? because i can't read that !!!!

So i tryed the first time the mod and I can tell you in 2 hours i had a reasonable setup.
(with sparks offcourse what didn't influence the topspeed or bottoming )
Yesterday i did some trainings and set my personal PB at Bahrain...129.6
While -I must say that I trained for the time that the new SE version excist- after long seaching for ideal line and breakpoints i never came under that 130,9 !!!
So I think F1Rft has some pro's like;
> easier setups, more grip.
> much better realistic looking cars
> better carsounds
> really very nice Spa-track
> realistic frontsuspencion-movement
Negatives;
> some old pitbugs
> strange language
> irritating long Arms in my sight while driving cockpitvieuw

Mmg is near to the perfection, but you need also a real enginering-crew and a technical race expiriance,
and has a boring sound.

I can imaging that F1Rft is better gaming for a lot of drivers in all differant kinds of trackexpiriance. Makes it nicer to all.
But if your driving 4 a long time like me, than MMG is more challanging cause it can B as realistic as it could B.
I suppose because i never drove a real multimillion openwheeler

All the best Race regards

[philmax]

[quote="Flow"]I hope i didnt done any mistake, but i took the time to try to track any comment Vs MMG/F1FRT:



EU-Renault
9- MAC (he comment, but i cant say what is choice)
(Empty Philmax, quit racing)


hi

i would like to say at the admin .i don't quit racing ,continue to f1rft its mor fun for me ,this is the real reason ,i never said i quit racing
ciao

[Racer]

I hope i didnt done any mistake, but i took the time to try to track any comment Vs MMG/F1FRT:



EU-Renault
9- MAC (he comment, but i cant say what is choice)
(Empty Philmax, quit racing)


hi

i would like to say at the admin .i don't quit racing ,continue to f1rft its mor fun for me ,this is the real reason ,i never said i quit racing
ciao

look here Philmax all is owke, u in,

ING Renault F1 Team
- Philmax
- Mac

http://forumserver.zapto.org/NAR/viewto ... f=1&t=2262

[SteveB]

Mac no one is pushing to keep the MMG mod we just don't understand why EURO guys are quiting instead of trying to adapt to the mod like in the past.

[philmax]

I hope i didnt done any mistake, but i took the time to try to track any comment Vs MMG/F1FRT:



EU-Renault
9- MAC (he comment, but i cant say what is choice)
(Empty Philmax, quit racing)


hi

i would like to say at the admin .i don't quit racing ,continue to f1rft its mor fun for me ,this is the real reason ,i never said i quit racing
ciao

look here Philmax all is owke, u in,

ING Renault F1 Team
- Philmax
- Mac

http://forumserver.zapto.org/NAR/viewto ... f=1&t=2262

hi ingo

ok but i quit nar racing ,because no fun with mmg so ,i continue racing but not here ,safe if mod change that all

[Drago(ITA)]

SteveB:
Mac no one is pushing to keep the MMG mod we just don't understand why EURO guys are quiting instead of trying to adapt to the mod like in the past.

Steve, here is not a matter of adapt to a mod that is difficult to drive . F1 79 can be a difficult mod to drive and you need to get used to it, but it works logical in setting , and usually you understand when you spin because of a your bad driving style rather than a bug in mod phisic.
MMG seems to be difficult to understand , and if you are even able to find a setup in some way that works for a track , you can't use the same line to modify setup to adapt the car to another circuit.
There are even no explaination from MMG to let us better understand the mod, just in case we are all crazy and unskilled drivers ,and they are guru phisic creators.
Imao you will never get used to it, it just sounds illogical to me.
I hope that from that you can understand why i (and for sure i'm not the only one)have no intention to spend so mutch time on something that will not even lead to performance on track , and neither to fun.

[Flow]

Lol, sorry, like i said, i was trying to track any comment that may give me the clue, and i didnt want to do it to offend anyone, but just that it could help us to make an overall review, and i find it interesting. About communication, lol im french, and it was late, and not easy, many didnt post in same thread on the subject. Instead of writting a false thing, i just said that i didnt get waht wer your position. I will change it.

Same for Philmax, when i say you quit racing, shure you may not quit racing at all, but i mean that you quit racing with NAR if MMG, il revise the text.

If any other find their note not correct, let me know.

[Flow]

Xzwins comment : find MMG Ok, he dont know what is F1FRT, so he cant say nothing on the situation.

[Drago(ITA)]

Flow , it's nice to see your effort in asking what people think about MMG, but as it seems you NA guys have no problem with MMG , i can't see at the moment the reason to put some doubts about MMG for NA.
It would be a shame to discover now that also some NA don't like MMG.
Of course the situation for Euro is different as it seems that not only one or two people don't like at all MMG.
This will be my last post (someone will be happy of this ) till a decision will be taken or an official answer to what is happenig will be released from Euro admins.
See you on track

[philmax]

Flow , it's nice to see your effort in asking what people think about MMG, but as it seems you NA guys have no problem with MMG , i can't see at the moment the reason to put some doubts about MMG for NA.
It would be a shame to discover now that also some NA don't like MMG.
Of course the situation for Euro is different as it seems that not only one or two people don't like at all MMG.
This will be my last post (someone will be happy of this ) till a decision will be taken or an official answer to what is happenig will be released from Euro admins.
See you on track

i agree with this post drago ,now wait and see.....

[SteveB]

I have posted a question to the MMG guys in the private forum with reguards to the physics of the mod.
I am just waiting to see if anyone responds maybe I can find out something.

[mario proietti jr]

hi guys
damn u make me laught what the hell u are doing guys complain about mod ??
some like mmg some like f1rt
ok no probleme
euro use the f1rt and the NA use the mmg thats it
for me there is no problem to use mmg or f1rt i dont really care
i will be fast anaway on both mod and i will get used to f1rt too so
no problem here for me
i try f1rt
about 4 or 5 lap just to see car on track and see the feeling of the car and i can say ill be fast whit it too
atm whit mmg at sepang my PB is 1.31.5 hot lap set, and i will test f1rt tonite to see what can i take out from the car ill give my lap time later on and my impression about f1rt too in the same time
question: if u guys use f1rt ru gonna have support for the mod and who will fix bug and up date and all other thing and the mod is not available no where (can i have answer about that question pls)
on this
i want to say its still a game and we are all there for havin fun dont forget that guys
cya my friend on both side of the sea and i hope i didnt frustrated someone here that was not my point
cya on track

[mario proietti jr]

well i try the f1rt08 lap time on 6 laps test 1.31.4 base set i didnt change much
boost 10
rad 2
brake 1
fuel 13 liters
tires soft
wing 31 front 33 rear
on track i have over 320 fps
but one thing i know is im faster whit f1rt08 and a lot more and like i said in the other post ill stay at nar nomatter which mod u guys will decide so
mmg07 pb 1.31.5
fr1t08 pb 1.31.4
cya on track buddies

[carrera]

HI fellow racers.
Well the mmg mod is a proven arcade game..LOL>..not a simulation.F1rft is a simulation.Setup changes in f1rft make major differences in the car.MMG you can make extreme changes to make a small difference on the car.I only have settled on one setup in MMG that works and I can live with that but I have no fun racing with it.I know others feel the same way.It has turned out to be a boring mod really and with the brakes that feel like your driving a 5 ton truck fully loaded,I can see why people are bolting from it.Those are not the brakes of a formula 1 car but more a a model t or something.Remember that the fastest guys are also brake turners and push the limits of the brakes and traction while turning into the tight corner.Without better braking they cannot make up time on a fast lap.I am pretty disappointed with the brakes.I can tolerate everything else but the brakes just plain suck.I'll go with whatever mod you guys stick with though but thats my opinion.
carrera