computer problems

brad · Post by **brad** » 07 Oct 2006, 15:56

well crap, im having some computer problems, i think the cpu is overheating, im seeing temps of 70C(158F) at idle! my cooling solution is just the stock amd approved heatsink and fan(ive heard there crap) but it seems to be running fine, fan constant at 3200-3300rpms. it literaly happend overnight. shut it down everythings fine, next day it starts shutting itself down after 5 min. i raised the cpu temp alarm in bios from 140F-170F, now it will stay on about 10 mins, but will still shut down when hovering about 158F. as soon as i start rfactor it shuts down, so i cant see if the temp ramps up real quick or not. anyone have any ideas? my dad thinks it could just be the cpu itself, i got a retail box amd with the 3 year warrenty, so i "should" be all good if its the cpu. any help would be appreciated, at this point im having to use the office computer and rfactor is a no-go on it. thanks

carrera · Post by **carrera** » 07 Oct 2006, 16:12

Uhh oh,
Have you ripped apart the heat sink and checked to see if it is full of hair.(i know you already did that but I thought I'd ask).I never use the stock heatsinks.I use a ZAHLMAN heatsink with a 120 mm fan.Keeps everything cool.The cpu sounds like it working hard even at idle.Maybe send that amd back and get another one and a heatsink.Eliminate all the problems at once.Also.Try to get some silver thermal paste if you can to cover the heatsink with.Mine barely breaks 45 degrees even in game so get it fixed quick.
carrera

brad · Post by **brad** » 07 Oct 2006, 16:28

yea, i thought it was pretty high. no hair, just a little dirt/dust/lint type stuff but not bad. i used artic-silver thermal paste when i assembled the system, its always worked great for me. im really starting to think its the cpu, the fan rpms are were the supposed to be, and its fairly clean in there, and being that it was working fine one day, then next doing this im thinking its gotta be the cpu. hmm, got the warrenty on the chip, but im flat ass broke right now(the business is, so i am, were owed almost 20grand right now!) so a new themal solution is out for now, food/gas/rent are the priorities right now! when im ready for new cooling, i think im going to do water cooled, found a nice kit that will cover the cpu, graphics card, and chipset for around 60bucks.

Ruben Miranda · Post by **Ruben Miranda** » 07 Oct 2006, 16:45

Hello
Well Carr already hit on this but.
I am not sure how long this comp has been running.
Did you just upgrade the CPU or has it been installed for a while.
If it has been installed for a while (A year or so) you may want to take it out clean the old silver thermal paste and put new.
CPU's now a days run hotter so they recomend cleaning and replacing paste once a year or so.

Also If you hav'int already check your case fans make sure the are not dirting and running right and removing the the hot air.

You are not doing any over clocking are you.?

This are things to try and check but as fast as it is heating up I would say the CPU is going bad or your power supply is going bad a pushing out a lot of volts.

Is it only your CPU getting hot or other parts to.

Hitman

brad · Post by **brad** » 07 Oct 2006, 16:51

didnt know that about these new cpu's that i should do that. ok, im going to remove the heatsink and chip, clean it, re-apply the thermal paste and put it back and see what happens. the system is about 6-8months old. got a good point about the power supply, its 550w but not certified for the mobo i got(duel core, pci-e and supports sli bridge) but i did notice in aida32 that my voltages were on the low side, i didnt think low voltages would cause it, but there is some fluctuation on the power output. cpu is pretty steady @ 1.38v but +3.3v, +5v, and +12v are all a little low(about .5-1v)

oh yea, no overclocking at all

Kaali · Post by **Kaali** » 08 Oct 2006, 00:36

Yo Brad

I was wondering if you have optimized the RAM's? I mean, are they running at default speed in BIOS? Try to check the speed in BIOS for any device and see if they are running at default speed. Maybe you or somebody else have incidently altered speed settings resulting in making CPU work faster and overheating it.

Just my 25 cents.

Bilbo · Post by **Bilbo** » 08 Oct 2006, 00:54

Tolerances for voltages are usually around 10%. If it varies more than that (or even close to this), you WILL have problems. You might also check your motherboard for leaking/busted capacitors (which was a common problem on motherboards manufactured about 2 years ago if I'm not mistaken).

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 08 Oct 2006, 01:40

Bilbos comment made me remind my computer was shutting off for no reason and it was as Bilbo explain. Just look on your motherboard if you can see some busted capacitor. Small round high height, and look on top, you will see an kind of X, normaly its flat, if one of them are pop/bump up, theyrs is your problem. Yup, that was my problem last year.

brad · Post by **brad** » 10 Oct 2006, 17:28

well, pulled the cpu, cleaned out the heatsink, cleaned the mating surfaces of both the cpu heatspreader and heatsink contact area with lint free towel with rubbing alcohol, re-applied artic silver-5 per instructions, re-installed........same thing

i looked at the board and didnt see any obvious signs of damage/burned up components, but it was kinda low light and i was in a hurry. ill check the power transistors and the capacitors, maybe get a close up pic of thoses areas and post it on this thread. at this point not looking good.

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 10 Oct 2006, 19:01

Wow, that crash at Spa at Eaurouge even damage your computer

brad · Post by **brad** » 12 Oct 2006, 17:43

well, checked out the mobo, no burnt or popped up capacitors, everything looks completely fine. luckily i havent sold the old mobo/cpu/vid card combo, so im going to put that back in for now so i can play. luckily ive got a 3 year warrenty on the chip, 1 year on the mobo, which is still good, so hopefully ill get this resolved.

SteveB · Post by **SteveB** » 12 Oct 2006, 23:54

GOOD LUCK Braddddddddddddddddddddd LOL
I hope you will be able to use those warrenties

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 13 Oct 2006, 17:16

I spoke of your problem to a friend (Masterfed), and he said that same hapend to him in past and it was his Memory that had sector damage, his computer was shutting down as soon he was doing task that was exigent from memory. It maybe the memory in computer or on vidcard.

brad · Post by **brad** » 14 Oct 2006, 20:44

Steve B wrote:GOOD LUCK Braddddddddddddddddddddd LOL
I hope you will be able to use those warrenties

i know, getting warrenty work is like pulling teeth! i got this stuff from
Fryes Electronics, starting to think it should be called Fried Electronics.

Flow, i havent discounted memory issues as well, only thing is it will shut down even if its just idleing, it will run about 5min before it does, and i can surf the web, or run some programs. if i try to run rfactor, it shuts down as the game loads.

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 27 Oct 2006, 04:51

Brad??? will you be there at Japan? i hope you solve your problem...

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 27 Oct 2006, 04:56

As for my personal bad drop of fps and lag after a race when trying to type... Also when i was going in telemetry, and came back in game, my game was lagging for at least 30 to 60 sec before it goes back to normal.

I solve my problem for the 2 last race. I put my replay off. Since my game is running better in and after race. I can use telemetry and rf both open now at same time. This wont affect those that have good computer.

But if admin ask my replay for more accuracy, im in big shit

i will have to accept servers replay. Dont do that unless you have same problem as me.

Bilbo · Post by **Bilbo** » 27 Oct 2006, 05:59

Having more RAM probably helps the ALT-TAB time a lot (because it does not have to swap anything to disk). With 2GB, switching between rF and telemetry (and pretty much anything) is practically instantaneous...

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 27 Oct 2006, 14:19

I think that i will have to change everythings around my ram, including the ram

Im waiting at end of winter to do it.

brad · Post by **brad** » 30 Oct 2006, 21:21

well shit. so im pretty sure the chip is screwed, it wont post at all. so i throw(well, delicatly set) the old mobo/chip/vid card setup in, boot it up, go into bios, it runs for about a min and shuts down just like the new setup was doing. try it with just one stick of mem, then switch to the other stick same thing. so im thinking its gotta be power supply right? exact same problem, only things staying the same: memory,power supply,hard drives,cdroms,case. like i sayed above, i tried each memory stick by iteslf, i figure the chances of both failing are slim, but possible. i would think if it was memory or hard drive related, i would get more of a hang kinda failure not imediate shutdown. and i was seeing high temps on the cpu, so maybe the fan wasnt getting enough power from the power supply? at this point i can only guess.

aawil · Post by **aawil** » 31 Oct 2006, 05:01

Buy a Mac.

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