when does the rule start?
is it only for NA?
or is it for ALL NAR?
because:
we allready called it DIV 3 RULE!
and we talked about it BEFORE we did the races if we use it (depends on the number of racer) or not!!!
... have fun!
meo A RULE suggestion on Race restart
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Flow in a simple questions:
when does the rule start?
is it only for NA?
or is it for ALL NAR?
because:
we allready called it DIV 3 RULE!
and we talked about it BEFORE we did the races if we use it (depends on the number of racer) or not!!!
... have fun!
meo
when does the rule start?
is it only for NA?
or is it for ALL NAR?
because:
we allready called it DIV 3 RULE!
and we talked about it BEFORE we did the races if we use it (depends on the number of racer) or not!!!
... have fun!
meo I'll fly till I'm burned! BURN BABY BURN! lol lool loool looool loooool loool looool loooool loooooo...
don't fear - track taxis! take it to die in green hell for sure!
don't fear - track taxis! take it to die in green hell for sure!
Flow wrote: Its not the 1st time a driver is mad about it.
lol, that one got me, i wasnt very happy at first, as i forgot about it and i think i dnf'd at 87% !!!! oh well. about the rule change: i agree with flows idea. i too was taken out on the first lap, but because of lag causing car infront not to start. i think its a good idea, the hardest part will be making sure people dont abuse it. but usually when there is problems on the grid, or big pileup in t1, several people see it, so maybe will not be an issue. im either way on having to move to the back, as long as i start! if i dont start, i cannot wreck 10 laps later, lol.
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meo we (euro) uses our own rules we decided just before a race and you know that,.... you can call it whatever you want div3 rule or etc etc,......
2nd we euro dont need that rule because last 4 or 5 races ,......did we ever had a restart in euro so far this season?????? lool,... anyway we dont need it in euro hehe . All starts have been clean so far i think so i would say let na decided what they want, for euro its clear i think.
At least for me this rule what is sugested by flow will only count for na.
2nd we euro dont need that rule because last 4 or 5 races ,......did we ever had a restart in euro so far this season?????? lool,... anyway we dont need it in euro hehe . All starts have been clean so far i think so i would say let na decided what they want, for euro its clear i think.
At least for me this rule what is sugested by flow will only count for na.
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Mark Aalberts
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How good a game can be we will stay dealing with the transatlantic conection and do think with the new games comming out soon (hopefuly) we stay having problems with lag and conection problems so i think na1 na2 and euro togheter will not work realy,.... mayby testing will prove me different but atm i think it will not work out yet.in fact just practice the rule can say if it makes sense or not. there for I think is a championship that has not been started with a full grid where everyone has done the races better fore than a season that will start with a full grid (and it looks like that) propably with a new game where still has to be waited for and testings to be done with to see if it maybe will be possible to start as 1 NAR and not NA1 NA2 and EURO.
I'd say this season is the time to test, get experience and do the discussions about the rules the next GOOD season has to be run under.
About the rules yes i do think it should be reconsidered for next year and to be taken a good look on it. I agree with you on that one.
Regards,
Mark Aalberts
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Well that rule restart shoud be OFF as soon we can race full grid, im not shure using that rule on 20 driver on grid. We will have to find a way of having a full grid fun race. that will be 4X more driver so 4X more accident, but then its life... thing happend like in real, But if 3-4 car crash, 15 car will be left on track, so fun will continue...
For Rfactor, i think we shoud test only when complete version is released. Up to now its a demo, and we dont know if the demo run better than the real game, and the F1 mod will look like.
Up to now on demo, i went in server with 10 driver and 7 were from Euro and 1 from australia and NO LAG AT ALL. But its still a demo...
For Rfactor, i think we shoud test only when complete version is released. Up to now its a demo, and we dont know if the demo run better than the real game, and the F1 mod will look like.
Up to now on demo, i went in server with 10 driver and 7 were from Euro and 1 from australia and NO LAG AT ALL. But its still a demo...
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Dutch, would you care to tell us (or post a link to) what the actual euro rule is? I don't know about it but then, maybe it was discussed while I was away (I haven't read all the forums threads very attentively when I came back). Maybe it would make sense for NA to have the same rule (or not)...
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BTW, I'm personnally against the restart rule for "big" field races. I'm only in favor of it when there's not many racers because the impact of losing any driver is more perceptible. Accidents are part of racing and people would eventually get careless if we always had mandatory restarts...
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Grid and first turn
Hello All
Well I can not think of any first turn incindents up to this point. Or have I just been licky.
I am only really talking about restarts if there is a grid position problem.
This has happen 3 or 4 times where drivers are in the same grid one on top of each other. At this point there is nothing we can really do about this
it is not a driver error to where we can controll it like we can controll the first turn.
My point is that I can understand the first turn rule as it is right now (Shit happens in real racing also) as it should be but this is something that we as drivers can controll we can back off brake early all kinds of things we can do to prevent first turn problems.
But the grid position problem there is nothing we can do (Not that I know of) even with a good connection and only a few drivers the grid position problem shows its ugly head.
In real life they are able to go out and drive to the right grid position but unless we do a Reconnaissance lap (Maybe this is something we should concider and test) we have no idea what the comp?lag is going to do.
And since this is something we can not controll and this do's not happen in real life (I have never seen a driver go to the wrong grid) how can we say wrong to bad shit happens just like real life when in fact it do's not happen. And with this it should not matter if there are 5 drivers or 20 drivers we should all have a equal chance to race and I think we do not get that if we go out on track and get put on the wrong grid.
Just a observation IMHO
Hitman
Well I can not think of any first turn incindents up to this point. Or have I just been licky.
I am only really talking about restarts if there is a grid position problem.
This has happen 3 or 4 times where drivers are in the same grid one on top of each other. At this point there is nothing we can really do about this
it is not a driver error to where we can controll it like we can controll the first turn.
My point is that I can understand the first turn rule as it is right now (Shit happens in real racing also) as it should be but this is something that we as drivers can controll we can back off brake early all kinds of things we can do to prevent first turn problems.
But the grid position problem there is nothing we can do (Not that I know of) even with a good connection and only a few drivers the grid position problem shows its ugly head.
In real life they are able to go out and drive to the right grid position but unless we do a Reconnaissance lap (Maybe this is something we should concider and test) we have no idea what the comp?lag is going to do.
And since this is something we can not controll and this do's not happen in real life (I have never seen a driver go to the wrong grid) how can we say wrong to bad shit happens just like real life when in fact it do's not happen. And with this it should not matter if there are 5 drivers or 20 drivers we should all have a equal chance to race and I think we do not get that if we go out on track and get put on the wrong grid.
Just a observation IMHO
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Yeah rf is demo and it had dedicated servers if im right,... i didnt tested it so far with a normal conection so im verry curios about how it will handle....
i have mine doubts, though ofcourse i wish its much better then f1c netcode and we are able to run combined again. but atm i stay to have mine doubts.
ABout the rule its not realy a rule lol we just before the start make an apointment what to do when somebody crashes so 2 out on first lap usualy is a restart only 1 restart we can make. But as i said so far we didnt had problems with starts in euro so far if im right.
About a big grid i also agree, then you dont need this rule because people may get hazardous because they know there is a posbile restart.
Anyway lets hope rf will be the big turnaround
or mayby gtr or someting,..... wll see
i have mine doubts, though ofcourse i wish its much better then f1c netcode and we are able to run combined again. but atm i stay to have mine doubts.
ABout the rule its not realy a rule lol we just before the start make an apointment what to do when somebody crashes so 2 out on first lap usualy is a restart only 1 restart we can make. But as i said so far we didnt had problems with starts in euro so far if im right.
About a big grid i also agree, then you dont need this rule because people may get hazardous because they know there is a posbile restart.
Anyway lets hope rf will be the big turnaround
or mayby gtr or someting,..... wll seeRegards,
Mark Aalberts
#99 Greg Moore april 22, 1975—October 31, 1999 (you will never be forgoten http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqxOecWC ... re=related)
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Well,
I race every day with up to 24 drivers on GTR and meet many people Like chimpster and his squad of fast racers.On occasion there will jump in a dial up who pings in at 700 or 800 and causes some grief.Usually though it is restricted to him and not everyone else.That is the opposite of f1c.One dial up screws up everybodys connection.Last night for example.Everybodys ping was in the low 100's then some dial up jumped in and we could see him flashing in and out.It only affected us when he left and our pings went up for about 10 seconds.I find rfactor to be very similar.Pings in the mid 200's average with several people but the game adjusts the latency well to compensate.GTR does not have an f1 mod yet.Rfactors f1 mod will be comming out shortly.I think rfactor will be the way to go for grids with 15 to 20 people.And about the rule,There should be no restart if the grid is big unless 4 or 5 people are taken out in first corner.
carrera
I race every day with up to 24 drivers on GTR and meet many people Like chimpster and his squad of fast racers.On occasion there will jump in a dial up who pings in at 700 or 800 and causes some grief.Usually though it is restricted to him and not everyone else.That is the opposite of f1c.One dial up screws up everybodys connection.Last night for example.Everybodys ping was in the low 100's then some dial up jumped in and we could see him flashing in and out.It only affected us when he left and our pings went up for about 10 seconds.I find rfactor to be very similar.Pings in the mid 200's average with several people but the game adjusts the latency well to compensate.GTR does not have an f1 mod yet.Rfactors f1 mod will be comming out shortly.I think rfactor will be the way to go for grids with 15 to 20 people.And about the rule,There should be no restart if the grid is big unless 4 or 5 people are taken out in first corner.
carrera
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Speaking of GTR, I just received my copy (or rather, my original! ) last night. Unfortunately, I'm down with fever due to a bad cold at the moment, so I probably won't do much racing today... 
As for the restart rule, I believe restarts due to bad grid formation should be mandatory and unlimited, no matter the number of drivers. Nobody has to be penalized for bugs in the game which have no workarounds. Maybe we should bind a quickchat key to warn when this happens?
As for the euro rule/procedure/agreement, I find it a just bit too relaxed (especially considering that euro races usually have more drivers) but I could live with it. It does have the advantage of simplicity.
) last night. Unfortunately, I'm down with fever due to a bad cold at the moment, so I probably won't do much racing today... As for the restart rule, I believe restarts due to bad grid formation should be mandatory and unlimited, no matter the number of drivers. Nobody has to be penalized for bugs in the game which have no workarounds. Maybe we should bind a quickchat key to warn when this happens?
As for the euro rule/procedure/agreement, I find it a just bit too relaxed (especially considering that euro races usually have more drivers) but I could live with it. It does have the advantage of simplicity.
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