Sorry for the request...

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 22 Nov 2004, 07:01

Sorry... Ive deleted this message to take off any embarrasement...

Echoshill · Post by **Echoshill** » 22 Nov 2004, 21:54

Flow

Écoulement, Par votre demande.
(Per your request)

Toute mon meilleur.
(All of my best.)

Écho

dutch power · Post by **dutch power** » 22 Nov 2004, 23:56

to be honest,... i think i penalty is not needed here

I think its clear for echo now that he has to be carefull at the pit exit

Have fun on track guys

greetz

CART Rulz · Post by **CART Rulz** » 23 Nov 2004, 00:30

Well I agree this surely wasn't handled the way it should have been. To all in the North American division, if you have a problem with another driver or would like to request a penalty, please send me E-mail so we can discuss it in private. Posting it in public is unnecessary and embarrassing. Let me know if you have a problem and I will fix it, that’s why I'm here.

Now, regarding the pit line, no penalty will be awarded here. Merely a warning for the future is all that’s necessary. Cutting the line will not give someone an advantage at all. The rule has been implemented in real life for safety reasons, not because someone can gain a time advantage. This is not the first time it has happened, and I have kept track of who has done it. Basically everyone has done it once or twice, including you Flow. We are all guilty, so there’s no need to point fingers. There’s one race left, lets just have some fun.

I'll have a server up for Bahrain at about 8:30pm Eastern, I hope to see some guys there.

CART

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 23 Nov 2004, 02:05

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Bilbo · Post by **Bilbo** » 23 Nov 2004, 02:08

I gotta agree with Cart. I believe disciplinary actions (for lack of a better term) should be discussed in private with an admin who should make his judgement known publicly if a penalty/warning/rule clarification is needed. There's no need to tell names in public unless by the admin inflicting a penalty/warning.

While I don't agree with the means, I agree with the accusation and I also agree with the sentence. In the context, a formal warning is more than sufficient to drive the point and a little reminder in the next pre-race driver's meeting would probably have been enough too, if the matter had been handled more cautiously.

We're at the end of a long season where (I believe) all drivers have been commendably well "self-regulated" (excuse my poor english vocabulary) and most championship positions are pretty much determined (with still some good fights left though). Let's keep this fun, guys, and watch that white line!

CART Rulz · Post by **CART Rulz** » 23 Nov 2004, 03:59

Look Flow I didn't want to hurt anyone’s feelings, that’s not at all what I intended. Just know for the future that we handle problems in private, with both parties involved, and then discuss the final solution with the public. We try to be as professional as possible. Also, when considering the difference in penalties between hitting a driver and crossing the pit line, the difference is pretty obvious. Hitting a driver is far more serious, and therefore the penalty is strongly enforced. Crossing the pit line is not nearly as serious as hitting a fellow driver and destroying his race. I believe whenever a collision has happened in a real race, the "hitter" has always done a drive through penalty. Since this was the first time the issue of pit line infractions was raised, no penalty will be awarded. However, a warning to everyone has been issued, as it is a rule and therefore it must be observed. Now lets remember the rule, forget about everything else, and move forward to Bahrain and continue to do what we all love.

See you soon,

CART Rulz

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 23 Nov 2004, 04:18

Ok, thanks Cart and Echo... I act and think after... i idnt WANT a penality cause in this situation it was not affecting nothing... but taking this situation as a reminder. The way i did it was not proffessionnal and i "apologyse"(sorry for my english) to the concern person and deleted my message. I was doing it as warning, but im not allowed to do it anyway. I overpass your "role" and still sorry. Next time il do it the clean way and will let you do your job and be more "discret". I didnt not use of good judgement on this one. I wish this not happened that way.

I wont be able to practice alot for bahrein, but il try hard to get some time this week, alot of work at job and renovation at home... hehe cya at bahrein for alot of fun...

Ha! by the way, i saw at the replay at China that we were 4 side by side at 1st corner.... that was cool...lol

Steve · Post by **Steve** » 23 Nov 2004, 04:35

speaking of the replay, i'd love to check it out, can anyone send it to me, or maybe Bilbo could put it on his server?

Flow · Post by **Flow** » 23 Nov 2004, 04:39

Iv sent you the replay by email, cya!

Bilbo · Post by **Bilbo** » 23 Nov 2004, 04:44

I've put my China replay HERE if anyone wants it.

Don't waste your time watching the race from my point of view though...